All about the Damage !!! - Guild Wars Forums

Wizard Yingu · Sep 21, 2005, 06:50 PM // 18:50

Ok, I know that the Damage Type does not dictate whether it ignores armor or not. The skills do. The question now is which skill and how can I tell them apart?

1. Degeneration skills ignore armor
2. Bane Signet ignores armor (Not sure why or how, because the skill do not say ignores armor)
3. Ob. Flame ignores armor (Said so on the skill)
4. Some Necro and some Monk skills do (No way to tell which)
5. Chaos Skills do (Chaos Storm, Empathy, Backfire... etc)

So, how can one tell which skill does and which skill doesn't WITHOUT prior knowledge of the game and did intense testing? Maybe Anet should do an update of skills to say Whether or Not a skill ignores armor, what do you think?

Valerius · Sep 21, 2005, 07:13 PM // 19:13

yeah it would be helpful if they did that... the only way now atm is to just go out and test

Ngangata777 · Sep 21, 2005, 07:24 PM // 19:24

To the best of my knowledge; Shadow, Chaos and Holy damage ignore armor as well as life stealing or degen. Other than that the spell or skill must specifically say that it ignores armor.

A weapon never ignores armore regardless of damage type ( holy chaos shadow etc)

Noble Knight · Sep 21, 2005, 07:28 PM // 19:28

Yeah, holy damage ignores armor.

Thanato · Sep 21, 2005, 09:21 PM // 21:21

holy, chaos and dark damage are based on any target having 60 AL (ergo the same damage to everything apart from undead targets and necros wearing taht weak against holy armor)

skills that say they have armor penetration have it. those that dont...well....dont.

Degen is not actual damage, but damage over time (X amount of hp per second)

also, HP stealing skills of a necro are not based on armor so it has no part in it.

basically armor reduces damage from:
physical damage
elemental damage

damage that isnt reduced by armor:
hexes
life stealing
chaos, holy and dark
DoT
conditions

to answer your question; damage type does dictate whether its based on damage or not.

chaos dragoon · Sep 21, 2005, 10:06 PM // 22:06

also on skills some say that it strikes the opponent for so and so damage.that spell most likely takes armor into effect.others,like banish, say target takes so and so damage.those most likely ignore armor.

just adding to the above post

Sentao Nugra · Sep 21, 2005, 10:14 PM // 22:14

many of the earth magic damage skills do armour ignoring damage, along with some of the lightning magic

chaos dragoon · Sep 21, 2005, 10:16 PM // 22:16

im pretty sure lightning spells only has armor penatration.and only a few earth skills ignore armor.

Wizard Yingu · Sep 24, 2005, 04:02 PM // 16:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by chaos dragoon

also on skills some say that it strikes the opponent for so and so damage.that spell most likely takes armor into effect.others,like banish, say target takes so and so damage.those most likely ignore armor.

just adding to the above post

That's what I want confirmed, thank you. I didn't say it in my post so I won't influence anyone.

If something does "Holy Damage" it does not automaticly mean it will always do a set amount of damage. Changing your damage type to Holy or using a Chaos damage Rod will NOT ignore armor. All written damage rating on a skill is calculated at max level vs 60 AL. Meaning a 20 point flare means a LVL 20 Ele, casting it on a AL 60 foe will result in exactly 20 pts of damage. IF the foe's AL isn't 60, the damage will not be 20.

Sep 21, 2005, 06:50 PM // 18:50	#1
Wizard Yingu Ascalonian Squire Join Date: May 2005	All about the Damage !!! Ok, I know that the Damage Type does not dictate whether it ignores armor or not. The skills do. The question now is which skill and how can I tell them apart? 1. Degeneration skills ignore armor 2. Bane Signet ignores armor (Not sure why or how, because the skill do not say ignores armor) 3. Ob. Flame ignores armor (Said so on the skill) 4. Some Necro and some Monk skills do (No way to tell which) 5. Chaos Skills do (Chaos Storm, Empathy, Backfire... etc) So, how can one tell which skill does and which skill doesn't WITHOUT prior knowledge of the game and did intense testing? Maybe Anet should do an update of skills to say Whether or Not a skill ignores armor, what do you think?

Sep 21, 2005, 07:13 PM // 19:13	#2
Valerius Desert Nomad Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Canada Profession: R/	yeah it would be helpful if they did that... the only way now atm is to just go out and test

Sep 21, 2005, 07:24 PM // 19:24	#3
Ngangata777 Pre-Searing Cadet Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: U.S.A. Profession: N/Mo	To the best of my knowledge; Shadow, Chaos and Holy damage ignore armor as well as life stealing or degen. Other than that the spell or skill must specifically say that it ignores armor. A weapon never ignores armore regardless of damage type ( holy chaos shadow etc)

Sep 21, 2005, 07:28 PM // 19:28	#4
Noble Knight Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Sep 2005	Yeah, holy damage ignores armor.

Sep 21, 2005, 09:21 PM // 21:21	#5
Thanato Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Quebec, Canada Guild: Followers of the Faith Profession: R/Me	holy, chaos and dark damage are based on any target having 60 AL (ergo the same damage to everything apart from undead targets and necros wearing taht weak against holy armor) skills that say they have armor penetration have it. those that dont...well....dont. Degen is not actual damage, but damage over time (X amount of hp per second) also, HP stealing skills of a necro are not based on armor so it has no part in it. basically armor reduces damage from: physical damage elemental damage damage that isnt reduced by armor: hexes life stealing chaos, holy and dark DoT conditions to answer your question; damage type does dictate whether its based on damage or not.

Sep 21, 2005, 10:06 PM // 22:06	#6
chaos dragoon Krytan Explorer Join Date: Jun 2005 Guild: The Warrior Nation[WN] Profession: R/	also on skills some say that it strikes the opponent for so and so damage.that spell most likely takes armor into effect.others,like banish, say target takes so and so damage.those most likely ignore armor. just adding to the above post

Sep 21, 2005, 10:14 PM // 22:14	#7
Sentao Nugra Krytan Explorer Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Crystal Lake, Illinois Guild: Grenths Rejects [GR]	many of the earth magic damage skills do armour ignoring damage, along with some of the lightning magic

Sep 21, 2005, 10:16 PM // 22:16	#8
chaos dragoon Krytan Explorer Join Date: Jun 2005 Guild: The Warrior Nation[WN] Profession: R/	im pretty sure lightning spells only has armor penatration.and only a few earth skills ignore armor.